Best Raves to Go to in Europe
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TL;DR Iconic Festivals Tomorrowland (Belgium) Awakenings (Netherlands) Underground and DIY Raves FreeTekno Movement (Central Europe) Teksupport (New York, USA) Cultural Differences Dress Code and Atmosphere Phone Usage Notable Mentions Bass Canyon @ The Gorge (USA) Group Therapy Weekender (USA) Conclusion Whether you're looking for a high-production festival like Tomorrowland or an underground rave in the FreeTekno movement, Europe offers a diverse range of rave experiences. Understanding the cultural differences and what each event has to offer can help you choose the best rave to attend.Best Raves to Go to in Europe
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55m who wants to go to a rave, wife/family think I'm nuts...
Posted by Starfishing_w_Dick · in r/aves · 3 months ago
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I grew up going to metal concerts up to when I was in my really 30s, and always enjoyed the crowd energy ... freaking amazing. Hoping the rave energy matches that of metal, kind of a bucket list thing.
Having never been to a rave, what should I expect? Age ranges?
I would prefer to go an outdoor European rave, and my wife is on the fence about going but probably would. I'll be in Norway late October/early November, probably too cold for an outdoor one. There might be a stopover in Paris, so that might be an opportunity.
So, what's the creep factor of an old dude going to a rave?
Update: thanks for all the love y'all ... Main point of my post was to show my wife that it's ok to go to a rave at this point of life, and I think that there's enough ammo in your comments put her on the right side of the fence.
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radkahn · 3 months ago
61 going to my first festival, beyond wonderland PNW at the gorge amphitheater. Just do it.
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NurtureAndGrace · 3 months ago
Hubby and my 1st rave festival is this year Bass Canyon @ the Gorge! We're 50 & 56 🥳
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davez730 · 3 months ago
Whoa having your first festival be at the Gorge is def going to be an experience, I'm jealous have a blast. I mean hell just being at the Gorge is amazing that plus your first fest 🎉🎉🎉🎉
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Cheech47 · 3 months ago
My first fest was Group Therapy Weekender in 2019 at the Gorge. I was 39. Hell of a way to start out! After I came home I immediately booked tickets to Dreamstate in SoCal in November, which also didn't disappoint. Get it!
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ununonium119 · 3 months ago
Yooooo I just did Illenium for my first Gorge festival and I’ll be doing Beyond as well! Welcome!
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[deleted] · 3 months ago
Im 45 and am taking my oldest son to his first rave in a few months, when he turns 18. You only live once bro. Have fun.
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jamieisawesome777 · 3 months ago
Totally fine to be 55 and at a rave, there’s no creep factor unless you’re a creep, so just don’t be one! If you like metal I’d check out some bass music like excision! You should definitely go to a rave if you feel like it’s something you’d enjoy!!
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Vin-E1214 · 3 months ago
I was so excited to see excision at EDC (this year) I got there at 9pm and by the time he went on I was over it. I couldn’t find any music that I liked the whole night. I walked stage to stage and everything was bad. (I like techno, but not what they were playing) so 1:45 came and he started but I was too crowded and (like I said I was over it)
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HarryPousee · 3 months ago
Yeah you did it wrong, brother. Although I’m curious as to what time you checked out NeonGarden, Klangkuenstler played there at 12:45. Do you like Excisions music? Because there’s like 30 artists that play a similar style. Also excision is a big artist and played right after Martin Garrix, who is one of the biggest draws at the festival. Anyways I feel like if you can’t find any music you like at EDC, there are 3 options. 1) You could be super deep into electronic music and EDC is too commercial for you, 2) you don’t like EDM at all, or 3) you do like EDM, but didn’t do enough research to find who you liked. (Or even more likely, you were with a group that wanted to see all of the most popular acts). If you like Excisions music, you probably should have spent more time at the BassPod. I had a blast at EDC, avoided the big crowds (and the music they listen to xD), and I saw tons of artists from genres I don’t get to hear often, like Trance, Techno, House, and DnB.
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ForAfeeNotforfree · 3 months ago
There’s no creep factor at all if you don’t act like a creep. I’m 40 and regularly see people out who are older than I am. Just go, wear hearing protection, have a good time, be kind to others, and don’t take too much of anything. People who go to a lot of raves are pretty nonjudgmental about stuff like the age of other ravers.
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DowntownDraw8520 · 3 months ago
This. Althought i wouldnt want to go alone to a rave, but id actually find it really fucking cool if id see a bunch of 55 years olds going wild on a rave
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jmort619 · 3 months ago
In Europe you will be a young buck
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Why are American raves so different from the rest of the world?
Posted by CommunicationDry5277 · in r/aves · 3 months ago
I was gonna say different from European raves, but when I think of other places like South America and the middle east they are quite similar to Europe.
Where I live in The Netherlands as well as in neighbouring countries there are a couple of different sounds trending, like dark minimal techno, tech house and other funky house styles without big melodic drops, hard house, hard techno, acid techno, break beats, jungle. Most of these styles are associated with some kind of dark mood where black clothes are most common. This is an aesthetic I really like because it fits the “depressed” mood that a lot of ravers have here. To bounce to these dark beats is such a nice way to ‘let out’.
Then as far as I see on this sub you got the American raves which seem to be very bubbly, colourful and seem to focus on dubstep as well as house with big melodic drops. I’ve read about kandi which is new to me. It looks very cute to exchange these little creations, but it’s so bubbly and happy and I wouldn’t be able to blend with that vibe.
I’m open to widen up the definition of ‘rave’ to any kind of edm event where people connect and dance to their favourite music, and I’m not trying to be a snob saying that only the illegal underground warehouse stuff are raves. I like that the word has gotten so universal and that it connects so many people.
But just my question is, how did this word get such a different context in different places?
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scoutermike · 3 months ago
Different cultures. Different attitudes. Different outlooks. I’ll say it’s very easy to wear all black. That’s what I always wear. But I think it takes some guts and bravery to wear brightly colored outfits. The bright outfits come from the early days of American rave, which were heavily influenced by the 60’s acid movement and hippy culture. That culture introduced wild colors, shapes, and patterns influenced by the psychedelic experience. Look up the Acid Tests and the Merry Pranksters. That’s where our bright colors come from. So perhaps EU had no colorful psychedelic history from the 60’s? I thought it did? Maybe the EU rave scene was disconnected from the multicolored hippy/acid rock 60’s scene? I wonder why?
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SomeRightsReserved · 3 months ago
EU rave culture is different from region to region, in the UK dub/sound system culture still plays a huge role in shaping UK rave culture today, Jungle and DnB are England’s biggest electronic music export and they evolved directly from Dub. Western and central Europe have a unique rave culture called the FreeTekno movement, based around illegal raves usually held in some empty field for several days, this one is also influenced by dub(hence the huge 150Kw sound systems)but also from punk’s DIY ethos, and hiphop culture, the ravers themselves often look like a mix of punks and old school hiphop heads.
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HaloDeckJizzMopper · 3 months ago
Ya the rave scene in the 90s had absolutely nothing to due with the gay club scene. Actually they were complete opposite. It's some thing that kids like to do now a days to claim the gay community founded this or that throughout history. They also like to force history in their present view of thing. Gay clubs in the 90s weren't colorful at all . They were mostly devoid of color. The two most popular dress styles were black vest black pants black boots, or white ginny tee with white Reebok sneakers. I would go to those clubs cause my brother was in the scene they all smelled so horrible too. The combo of ass, BO, and poppers could make you vomit till death . The rave/ festival scene in America today looks exactly like it did in Europe 15 years ago. The age of ravers in Europe is increasing while American raves are still attracting fresh youth that want to taste the silliness and keep alive the experience they saw others have as children. Where in Europe race is becoming extrovertive influence goth
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DeffNotTom · 3 months ago
A lot of the bright colors and such came from the gay club scene in the 90s, which was a cornerstone of the American rave scene. Also, Happy Hardcore had a strong hold on underground raves in the US for a awhile back in the day and happy hardcore kids are pretty colorful everywhere you go. So that carried over. But also, this sub isn't a good representation of the US rave scene as a whole. Maybe it was at one point, but now it's largely populated with posts focused on the big festival scene. America is huge, and there are hundreds of smaller rave scenes across the country, all with their own overall ″vibe″. Different locations and different genres have wildly different norms. Movement Festival is happening this weekend and that crowd is wildly different than the crowd at something like EDC and closer to a festival youd find in Europe. We also have plenty of techno scenes full of people dressed in all black, like it's a uniform. As far as how the word rave has changed so much here… commercialization of dance music did it. There's still lots of ravers who will refuse to call big festivals raves. And plenty of people from the festival crowd will get mad about it and call it gatekeeping. Basically, it all boils down to no one agrees on anything here, and it's vastly different from state to state, or even city to city. America is just really fucking big and a lot of Europeans underestimate how much that effects things. American culture as a whole is not a monolith. There's a bunch of different cultures across the country, depending on where you are, and that carries over into sub-cultures like raving. Edit: damn. I didn't realize how much I missed awards lol. So silly, but thanks y′all
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iamsolow1 · 3 months ago
This is the way… (Sidebar: to the point about “subcultures” you could also view these smaller scenes as almost like separate “factions” that operate in and of themselves, under the extremely large EDM umbrella, rave culture governs itself and is largely based on the people that attend the events, I also feel like the “influencer culture” i.e. insta / tic-tok that has infiltrated the festival scene as of late, is having a negative effect on what we used to consider a musical pilgrimage that some of us needed as catharsis from the everyday stresses of life)
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Techno_Nomad92 · 3 months ago
I’m Dutch myself and i think one thing you should take into account: What they call raves, we call festivals. I can list a whole bunch of super colorful events in the Netherlands. They just call every EDM event a rave, where in Europe raves are more dark, gritty and industrial.
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scoutermike · 3 months ago
But even at our normal raves - not only festivals - the dress is different. Op is right. USA will still have more colorful attire at the raves too, not just the big fests.
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DonkyShow · 3 months ago
I started raving in 2000. My first was in an empty gutted Shoe Carnival store (just one huge box room that was converted into a temporary “club”). There was a mix of people but largely you had the JNCO Jeans crowd, Kandy Kids, and urban breakdance crews that had their own kind of “ghetto raver” serious vibe. I also went to clubs here and there. You heard largely DnB, turntablist DJ’s, House, and darker speed garage and two-step (my first rave had Dj Qbert as well as Aphrodite playing). I got out of it for a long time and missed it. I came back, went to a festival, and let’s just say it’s not what I remembered. What you’re seeing is the more popular side of the electronic scene in the states. These “big events” draw the influencers and social media crowd which amplifies the popularity. I’ve recently come to discover that there is a lot to offer in the States that’s more like the older rave/club vibe. It’s just not flashy enough to draw the attention seekers. And that’s a good thing. The people are there because they really like the music and aren’t trying to document or boost themselves on social media, so it doesn’t draw the attention of people that go to these things just because it’s becoming popular. Big festivals have their place and if that’s what people like, then more power to them. But it’s only the most visible part of the scenes here.
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xxtiramisu · 3 months ago
psytrance artists plays in mainstream festivals like dreamstate. i go every year and it’s my favorite.
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absolut696 · 3 months ago
As someone who has been to proper raves, festivals, and club/legal parties in the USA, Netherlands, France, Argentina, Germany Spain, and a few other places — a typical underground or semi-underground event isn’t really that different in the USA. I would say that in the USA, some of them have that PLUR type energy, but they lean either commercial or are parties thrown my old 90s raver heads who are reliving their youth. You can find the type of parties that you’re used to across the USA, but the kind of people that attend these parties aren’t the type to go on Reddit and talk about the sick rave they went to over the weekend because the ethos is to be a little more discreet and chill about the whole thing. So I think what you’re seeing is a little bit of a selection bias.
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AetherKatMusic · 3 months ago
"old 90s raver heads" 😂
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Electronic_Common931 · 3 months ago
Their explanation is spot on. I grew up in Detroit in the 80s and early 90s techno scene. Lived and played in EU in the early 00s underground scene. The US has plenty of what you’re describing. This sub is extremely skewed toward mainstream events and festivals.
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I'm a European who has never been to a US Rave and thinks it's better
Posted by RollingLucyTree · in r/aves · 4 months ago
Hey everyone!
While I've never actually attended a US festival, I've been fascinated by what I've seen and heard online. Here's why I think US raves might be better for me than European ones, based purely on assumptions from my virtual experiences.
First up, the level of freedom at US festivals seems incredible. Attendees express themselves in ways that feel deeply uninhibited, from wild outfits to free-spirited dancing, which contrasts with the sometimes more reserved atmosphere of European festivals.
The music scene in the US also seems particularly dynamic. It's home to a rich mix of electronic genres, especially noted for dubstep, bass music, and intense subgenres like riddim and vomitstep. Icons like Excision and Subtronics are at the forefront, pushing musical and production boundaries.
On the topic of drug use, US festivals appear to have a more open attitude. While it's a sensitive and controversial subject, this perceived openness seems to shape a distinctive vibe at these events.
Production levels at US festivals are something else. I've seen images and videos of massive stages, surrounded by intricate laser shows, with crowds visibly overwhelmed by the spectacle—cheering, howling, and clamoring for more.
And then there's the PLUR philosophy—Peace, Love, Unity, Respect—that seems to be spread universally in the US festival scene. This spirit brings a profound sense of community and spirituality, adding important layers to the festival experience that go beyond just music and dance.
Despite my admiration for European festivals, especially those in the Netherlands, the footage of US festivals’ grand scale, intense community spirit, and bold musical explorations suggest they might just have an edge.
Remember, these are all assumptions since I've never been there myself.
What do you think?
Do these observations match up with real experiences, or is there more to the story?
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MapNaive200 · 4 months ago
I like the underground raves a lot more than the festivals and commercial events popular in this sub. I like the vibes, having fewer restrictions, the way the crowds self-police, and the culture in general. The visuals are hit-or-miss compared to the big electronic music concerts, but I can live with that. At an underground, usually after 2:00 am or so, I often feel as though I'm lightweight rolling without actually taking anything. It's as though molly is in the air.
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SnowyFaeryKween · 4 months ago
Dude i really wanna go to underground raves but none of my friends know about any to my knowledge. 😭
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grhymesforyou · 4 months ago
Looks like you’re in Europe from profile? (NL?). You’re set on makeup and outfits! Fit in great at a rave near me (SoCal)
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Working_Ad_239 · 4 months ago
Local DJs might have info and are easy to reach out to. I’m actually helping put one on because I talked to the right people and had the right fear available! Also depends on your definition of underground like some underground events are (as someone who’s been to practically none) extremely sketch and others (again having gone to practically none but helping set one up/playing one) are really chill and just a rave without an official venue (this is the type I’m helping with).
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AlexTT-zer0 · 4 months ago
My first ever Rave was at Awakenings in Amsterdam. It was also the first time I tried Molly. I think my soul transcended some inches after that experience...
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RollingLucyTree · OP · 4 months ago
Never seen kandi bracelets or totems at an European Rave. Colorful outfits at EDM parties? I agree if you go to a big multiple day festival, yes. But if you go to an underground rave or a local club where good music is being played, you'd mostly see people dressed in darker colors and being lost in the drugs and the music. I think Americans are raving more consciously. (Careful: opinions can hurt)
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MapNaive200 · 4 months ago
Europe has some of the best metal festivals, though. I'm envious of a lot of lineups I've seen.
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Techno_Nomad92 · 4 months ago
Tomorrowland is huge, is probally the closest thing in Europe you will find to your festivals. Never been there myself.
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Jeesan · 4 months ago
Tomorrowland is a better festival in implementation whereas EDC is better in experience. Tomorrowland is cheaper (camping ticket is like $480) while EDC is $450 without camping, the facilities are better, the food is better, the area is bigger, and there are more artists to see. EDC is nice in that each stage feels closer in production value and it being a night festival means you get to see pretty light shows the entire time. Tomorrowland's biggest drawback is that the crowd is just terrible, sooo many influencers, tweakers, rude tourists that aren't familiar with the rave scene, and everybody litters like crazy when there are 3 different bins within 5 meters in any direction, while EDC's crowd has always been decent. TML is nice for the spectacle (like visiting Disneyland, for example) and if you enjoy a big range of house/techno (because the best stages are hosted by house/techno labels), but there are so many better festivals to go to in EU to rave.
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RollingLucyTree · OP · 4 months ago
Bro I cannot write coz I fried my brain by attending too many raves lmfao
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hibryan · 4 months ago
Music seems more diverse tho in the states. Ex, I have a hard time finding bass in Europe.
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[deleted] · 4 months ago
Im convinced youve never been to a rave in europe after reading this
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European style raves
Posted by blitzzerg · in r/avesNYC · 4 months ago
I moved from Europe to NY and I'm having a hard time finding actual raves. What most Americans call raves would be considered clubbing in Europe. Raves are usually organized by a small group of people who bring their sound systems and DJ decks. They are usually outdoors (or at abandoned buildings) and most of the times illegal or in a grey limbo.
I know that due to the population density in NYC this is not likely to happen in Manhattan, but are there any places outside the city with actual real raves?
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evan274 · 4 months ago
Ughhh I’m way too COOL for the NYC scene, anyone know where I can hang out with the COOL people and get invited to REAL raves?
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Jeanettikroketti · 4 months ago
I love how every time someone from Europe asks for some type of parties they miss, so many people get outright offended
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evan274 · 4 months ago
If OP didn’t call it “actual raves” I don’t think it would be as much of a problem. That wording reeks of elitism.
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panzerxiii · 4 months ago
Except we have these "real" raves and they are thriving.
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thrax7545 · 4 months ago
The scene here has its own flavor, and NY being what it is, it tends to be big and corporate, or secret and exclusive. The spectacle can be some of the best around though. The mirage(which everyone loves to hate) can have mostly mainstream programming. There’s occasionally something good there though, and it’s like the Broadway show of raves… If you’re into European tech-house, try teksupport, they’re an operation conceived with old style rave in mind. They don’t have a venue, and they bring the gear and post up in warehouses around Brooklyn usually. They bring big acts, and will at times completely lose the underground feel because of it, but they still put on honest-to-goodness raves from time to time. It might be a good entry point to start to find some of the sort of thing you’re looking for. I also recommend checking out some of the smaller ticketing apps like shotgun or get-in as there’s more of a chance of finding smaller DIY type events there. Even RA will list them towards the bottom of the list, if you look for parties with “TBA” venues or listed with “undisclosed location”.
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JonB_ · 4 months ago
They’re in East Williamsburg and Bushwick. Use Resident Advisor, or follow DJs to find out about the events.
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blitzzerg · OP · 4 months ago
I doubt those types of raves would be published anywhere over the internet. It's usually WhatsApp groups
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agua13 · 4 months ago
There are a number of DIY parties that sell tickets via official channels. Even though they are DIY, in a city like NYC they still likely have permits to occupy whatever warehouse they are using as well. That doesn't change the fact that it is a 'rave' nor does it guarantee they won't get shut down.
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misterintensity2 · 4 months ago
Appreciate NYC's scene for what it is. Go to parties with music and DJs you like, meet people and soon you will learn about underground raves which takes place. Also you might be surprised what you find on RA.co during your journey.
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blitzzerg · OP · 4 months ago
Yeah that makes sense. I guess what I was asking is if it's worth investing time in finding those types of parties. But I see by the replies that they do indeed exist! Thank you!
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lexleflex · 4 months ago
Exactly. They know nothing. Literally one of them thought that it would be badass to go to Swedish house mafia at the mirage last wknd. Like, they think THAT is a real rave. My teenage self died of embarrassment for them
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Televangelis · 4 months ago
I don't love frat boys, but I love gatekeeping, still-not-over-being-the-weird-kid-in-school-as-an-adult whining about "frat boys" at raves even less, sorry a guy with clothes you don't like went to a music venue I guess
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Hot takes on European v American Rave Culture?
Posted by Playful_Extreme2144 · in r/aves · 5 months ago
So I’m fairly new to the whole rave scene- I’m British, have always been a massive music fan, and have been interested in rave culturally for years and years (see cult film Human Traffic (1999) for one of my key frames of reference). But it was only about a year ago that I had the enlightening experiences (…) that have completely converted me to dance music. I’ve become a keen observer on social media of the international variations. In the UK, rave to me is industrial venues with bare brick walls (thinking re-purposed 19th century buildings), trainers and fairly understated clothing. For me, this is one of the great joys- being a millennial who froze in terrible clubs in bodycon minidresses and ridiculous shoes circa 2010. It’s either this or euphoric festival experiences such as Glastonbury where literally anything goes. For my friends who live over in say, Berlin, it’s all black, maybe a nod to bondage gear, but the techno, house, tech house, dnb and a touch of disco are the main genres in Europe. I don’t know that much about the musical differences across the pond but I see many images of people dressed to the nines in magical rave fairy outfits (which I would love to don, but not quite the vibe here in a northern British city) but also many reels FULL of phones. Just wondered if anyone has experiences of both, or just wants to discuss the Europe/US variation and the origins of it?
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apatcheeee · 5 months ago
Personally haven't been raving in EU yet, but definitely on my bucketlist. Rave culture in NA is very diverse which I'm sure it is the same in EU. Much of it is geographically dependent. Imo you can generalize rave culture in NA by several key categories, that all play a factor with each other. West vs East coast, subgenres of electronic music, demographic and scale. PLUR culture is more of a dominant aspect in the west, as it originated in the early Cali rave scene. Thus colourful outfits, and wearing/trading kandi are more common. But that is also dependent on the subgenre of the event. Most techno events regardless of their geographical location, most ravers wear all black. Scale of an event is huge determining factor for attire, culture and the demographic of the ravers that attend. Massive festivals, like EDCLV, will naturally drawn in a wide spectrum of ravers and people are more willing to dress to the nines as opposed to a random club set in there hometown. Ultimately rave culture is difficult to generalize within a whole region. However I think the biggest difference between EU and NA rave culture is within their history, while there are many cities in NA that have long standing rave scenes. I truly believe EU had a larger impact on pioneering raving globally. Which I tend to think is due how each region views liberal arts respectively. Being an electronic music producers in the 90s was more viable in EU than NA, whether that be due to financial reasons, cultural, and/or lifestyle.
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ilovewhitegirls8856 · 5 months ago
hello guy who lives across the pond here! the raving scene here is VERY VERY different, its gotten to a point where most Europeans (mostly eastern) wont even consider American raves " raves " anymore they just consider them parties which is kinda dumb but not gonna start that argument. I'm on the east coast and where I'm at the music scene mostly consist of house, techno, and dubstep with occasional jungle/dnb n disco, not much of a musical difference besides dubstep (i personally despise it) but the one thing that is different is the culture around it because raves in America have become very mainstream since covid honestly so it resulted in a bunch of people who knew nothing about the culture/scene coming in just wanting to get high and party and not going for the music or to dance. Its not as bad as people make it out to seem especially over in Europe but it is very annoying if you aren't use to it or come from a different raving culture. The one thing I will say though in my experience is that American ravers are 10000x nicer and more welcoming then European ones but that may just be my experience. Most of the reels you see are from big events/venues and festivals so theres bound to be recording there but for the more inclusive and secret meetings everybody kinda has the unwritten rule to not record longer then like 30 seconds or just take a pic of the DJ or their friends. all in all this is my experience so others may differentiate but its not as bad as the reels make it out to seem.
Which hasn't ruined the scene completely it has made it annoying for all the OG's and people like me who came in before it became popular. There's a bunch of drugged up kids who cant even stand (not that I'm much better but at least I'm not being a nuisance xD), Jessica who recording the entire event on her phone, or Jared and his group of buddies keep on pushing you to get to the center of the dance floor and then continue to bump into you because they have no dance floor etiquette lol, Jared's have always been prevalent so I'm just complaining to complain there.
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Material-Ad2327 · 5 months ago
I think because is the us you consider raves things such as techno clubs and festivals were in Europe raves are parties thrown up in abandoned places and outside the city for free or donations. So yeah clubs and groups are not considered a rave, as they follow rules such as security and prices
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ttttrinidad · 5 months ago
in a rave its okay to do a line off your phone in the middle of the dancefloor, in a club its not.
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ilovewhitegirls8856 · 5 months ago
yup, this is also why i say one group is more nicer then the other because one is just more accessible and easier to get into
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AnyDiscussion7243 · 5 months ago
In Europe phones/photos are heavily discouraged which was one of my favorite aspects about clubbing in Europe. Also clubs usually have a darker atmosphere in Europe which I like as well.
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OnMyOwnWaveHz · 5 months ago
Europeans are snobby and get judgey over phones outfits high production social media trading kandi and flowing nuf said
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BenlovesBud · 5 months ago
We do not get judgey about high production? That's great. Having said that, phones, social media & especially mandi culture and flowing is whack and I hope it never even sniffs the EU scene.
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OnMyOwnWaveHz · 5 months ago
Thanks for proving my point, nothing else needs to be said. Pretty fucking wack to call yourself a raver and be a judgmental arrogant ass
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Moist-Branch-2521 · 5 months ago
Most European raves are all about acting like you're the coolest in the room while looking the blandest and acting like you're having the least amount of fun possible.
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r/aves • [6]
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Best hard techno raves/festivals in Europe!
Posted by Pristine_Fuel_6034 · in r/aves · 5 months ago
Hi, I'm on a mission to try lots of new techno clubs, festivals and events in Europe this year! Please tell me your recommendations! I'm into the harder techno/trance and so far have on my list Teletech, Unreal, Kompass Klub, Intercell, Hive Festival... please tell me what I may be missing !!!
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Slight_Emphasis_325 · 5 months ago
In the Netherlands you could look into Free Your Mind, Awakenings, Verknipt, ADE and Unreal. Those are the biggest organisations that regularly have (hard) techno events
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Pristine_Fuel_6034 · OP · 5 months ago
Thanks! The Netherlands’ techno scene seems so good!
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peace_of_mind_link · 5 months ago
Stone Techno Festival
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peace_of_mind_link · 5 months ago
TIME WARP read about last year https://peaceofmind.link/time-warp-april-1-2023-mannheim-germany/
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Pristine_Fuel_6034 · OP · 5 months ago
Looks awesome thank you !
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r/aves • [7]
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What city is best for raving?
Posted by ThrowRA_18238282O3 · in r/aves · 6 months ago
What is your personal opinion in what city you can go raving the best? In what city are the best locations, the friendliest people and the highest frequency of events (during the week)? Or maybe just some of these things but in what city would you say people should have been raving in their life at least once?
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cuertigilda · 6 months ago
I've never been to an EDM rave in the states, but if it attracts such huge crowds, there must be something awesome going on there! :)
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Pengy945 · 6 months ago
I saw Paul Van Dyk a few weeks ago at The Church. Amtrac and Tourist two Thursdays ago at the Gothic Theatre. Not hard rave music, but Mindchatter was last Friday. Lots of shows coming through at all sorts of venues.
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somvr11 · 6 months ago
Good Clubs, Good festivals and good underground
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Helen-Archer · 6 months ago
In the UK, I would say London. But I think everyone should visit Berlin at least once, so many incredible places and something for all tastes
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RealXavierMcCormick · 6 months ago
Headed to Berlin in May, any recommendations?
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cuertigilda · 6 months ago
Amsterdam!! The Dutchies know damn well how to party
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RubxCuban · 6 months ago
Going there in May. What venues do you recommend?
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cuertigilda · 6 months ago
May has already indoor and outdoor events! I'd recommend events rather than venues. Soenda, Awakenings, Intercell, Verknipt, are the big commercial ones. But there are honestly so so many (Check resident advisor). Also partying in a nearby city is doable because there are trains all night long . About venues in Ams, the big ones are Radion, Garage Noord, Lofi, Hemkade, H7, Warehouse Elementestraat, among others. Keep in mind that EDM is almost non existent in Amsterdam, here techno, trance and hard techno are the main played genres, but people's vibes are spectacular. And if you come in October for ADE, you'll be mind blown for the amount of events!
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pookiepie88 · 6 months ago
I want to go to a rave in Amsterdam so badly! I’ve also heard that Budapest is great and want to go. I’ve only been in the US and my vote is New York if you can find a good warehouse rave
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dharmazazen · 6 months ago
Wouldn't recomend Berlin because of the stringent and arbitrary door policies. If you do go, do your research and try to hit up the popular venues at non peak times.
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Different-Instance-6 · 6 months ago
I think it’s more understandable if you look at it like this - they do it to keep their scene authentic bc if not, every non raver douchebag that just wants to get fucked up and prey on women would hear Berlin is wild and ruin those awesome venues. The doors are strict for good reason. I waited 2 hours for Kit Kat & berghain & did not mind because the crowd was so awesome. I was there alone as a tall topless blonde girl and felt completely safe and not harassed at all despite the fact that naked people were fucking everywhere at both venues.
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Helen-Archer · 6 months ago
Amazing, that must have been an incredible 48 hours! I’m going back in this year. Always looking for recommendations of new places in Berlin
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What are the main differences between European and American raves?
Posted by tilex05 · in r/AskEurope · 7 months ago
On TikTok, I see Europeans making fun of Americans about their raves. As if they’re not the same thing at all? Like American raves are “softer” than in Europe?
What is so different? For the record, I am Canadian so a rave to me is probably what Americans are used to. Like EDM festivals and stuff.
What is a rave for you?
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redmagor · 7 months ago
If you visit r/aves, you will often find discussion on this topic. The brief summary is the following: PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, Respect): Venues: Music: Drugs: Clothing: Vibes and Atmosphere:
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disco-mermaid · 7 months ago
This is so funny and just wrong at each bullet point. You (and many others commenting here) are hyper focused on one type of rave event in US — the highly commercialized/EDM ones — which is just one small section of the entire scene. (Which btw exists in Europe too, with many EDM DJs coming straight out of Europe) For background, I’ve partied at various raves throughout Europe numerous times in multiple countries for over a decade (Germany, NL, Ibiza, Greece, CH, Balkans, etc); so I think I have a good idea of what a quality European rave is; and at the same time, my local rave scene is in Southern California, and we also know how to party and have a genuinely excellent rave. Pretty much every weekend there is a different fun party with great techno. Frankly, your description of our raves is a bit insulting and shows a severe lack of scope into our scene. If you’re simply unaware, that’s one thing, but to confidently say we lack depth and are over neonized and commercialized …. It just shows you haven’t actually partied here to any great extent to comment such a confidently wrong response. And for the people who do enjoy the kandi-neon-commercialized raves….. they are allowed to enjoy that if it’s what they like. There’s nothing wrong with it either. Just as there’s nothing wrong with going to the local honky tonk bar and dancing to country music all night in cowboy boots. People enjoy what they may.
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Rainbow_Tesseract · 7 months ago
I have zero experience with raves in the U.S., but social media definitely impacts our view on it. I've seen soo many posts of people at regular concerts saying they're at a rave, regardless of the genre. A friend (bless her) told me she'd been to a rave and it was a K-pop concert. I think a lot of younger folks don't necessarily know that the word "rave" isn't the same as any party or event.
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redmagor · 7 months ago
Your comment seems rather defensive, as if I had insulted an entire culture, when my aim was only to highlight some general differences. Had you read my subsequent comment under the initial one, you would have realised that I indeed recognised there are nuances, acknowledging the presence of both exceptions and similarities. It seems this detail was missed by you, but that is alright. What your defensive response seems to neglect is that if the most globally visible facet of the American rave subculture is the one I described (marked by neon, PLUR, kandi, etc.), even though it is not the exclusive representation, it still acts as a distinguishing feature of the national scene. In contrast, European rave culture is characterised by a distinct atmosphere that does not incorporate some of the definitive American elements. Now, are there exceptions? Of course. However, the question posed by the original poster was regarding the differences, so I wonder, why the defensiveness? Also, I am curious about your statement: DRUGS: our drugs are different, that’s for sure. I won’t go into detail, but we have some fun shit that is simply unheard of in Europe. I mentioned that Europeans tend to be more reckless, not that they are better or worse. Make of that what you will. But, do you suggest that Americans have exclusive drugs unavailable elsewhere? Now, that is hilarious. What are these exclusive substances? Please, expand on that point.
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LordGeni · 7 months ago
The question asked why Europeans describe the US scene the way they do. The answer does that, even if it's ultimately saying, it's because of the the type of US raves Europeans are exposed to. Whether they are a fair representation or not. Personally I've been to both commercial and underground raves on both continents and have a slightly different take. I've never thought of the US scene as "soft", however in general there is slightly more of a naive feeling to them. That's not necessarily a bad thing imo, it's just different and it's certainly not universal, I'm talking in very broad strokes here. The overall balance of the mentality of people attending differs as well. In Europe there's more of a "Let's go and get properly messed up, go mental to banging tunes and leave the rest to fate". You don't have a plan, you just know it's going to result in a ludicrous story. The US, is more about going to "experience" the music. The rest happens as well, but it's more focused around the music, rather than the music being an excuse for doing the rest. You're also more risk adverse around people off their heads. The ludicrous individual situations happen less. Obviously, both are absolutely true for both places. I'm talking about a slight but significant difference in the percentages of peoples approaches. Both are great. Whether on is better, is simply down to the individual and the particular night. A bad night in Europe could have been better in the US and vice versa. To boil it down. The real difference is one mainly has American people and the other European. We have similar but slightly different approaches to life in general, and that's reflected in how they rave. I have huge amounts of love for both.
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Bragzor · 7 months ago
Based on that, it seems like the biggest difference is how narrowly the term "rave" is used.
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SomeoneSomewhere1984 · 7 months ago
You also have to consider what kind of raves European tourists can find, that's mostly the commercialized kind.
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yellow-koi · 7 months ago
I generally agree with everything, but I have to chip in on: Venues:Yes, on the underground venues, but that's ignoring big events that generally take place in football stadiums (Dutch parties) or stuff like Ultra Europe and Tommorowland. We have our fair share of big commercial events. Drugs:This definitely rings true of the UK, I was surprised by how reckless (to use your words) British people are, with many not even making it through the door of the venue. But I've been to EDM parties in other countries and things have been a lot tamer. In the Netherlands and Spain consumption was a lot more measured while in Germany people were mostly just drinking beer.
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uraniumonster · 7 months ago
But Tomorrowland etc are not raves, but festivals
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dustydancers · 7 months ago
What is considered a “rave” in US EDM culture would be considered a more of a concert or party-event in Europe. We don’t say rave when we go to the clubs, festivals etc, or at least my circle doesn’t. A rave is in its original sense a somewhat underground event organized by community based collectives. Like hidden away in the woods somewhere. Or parades for demonstrations where we will blast music on the streets, love when this happens on boat too.
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-lukeworldwalker- · 7 months ago
For me a good rave starts at 2am and ends at 10am. Every American “rave” I’ve been to ended around 3am and didn’t have a proper live DJ set. Plus in the Netherlands or Germany or other European countries x is cheap and almost always of excellent quality. In the US you have to be super careful and test everything for fentanyl because for some reason people get killed by that stuff. Takes all the fun out, if you have to fear for your life just because you ant some party drugs. Never have to worry about that in Europe.
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r_Yellow01 · 7 months ago
Anyone who lived through 90's will say that you can't have a rave with EDM. These two are almost a decade apart. When EDM took over from the original hard techno and house, in around 1997, the public split, and it is like this until today. The split was articulated or caused by a cultural change because the millennials that were being raised on the EDM, didn't have much to fight for at the time. Gen X, for instance, was fighting for gender equality (EU), against privatisation (UK), and for the freedom of expression (DE/NL). So yeah, you can have a party, open session, a concert, but hardly a rave. Source: my memory.
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“PLURR” & “Rave Fams”
Posted by AK49err · in r/aves · 7 months ago
I went to Tomorrowland and several other EU festivals last year and can’t say that I remember a lot of people talking about “PLURR” or “Rave Fams” on any of the discords and subreddits..
Are these terms mostly used by Americans? Something about these terms give me the ick (’m American).
Do we need an acronym to spell out what it means to be a decent human being to others? Everyone at EU festivals were just this way without question.
And “rave fam” sounds cultish imo. Idk, seems like a lot of people need to experience a rave by themselves. You don’t have to worry about everyone staying together and you can do whatever YOU want to do or see. Decision making with friends who are all under can be anxiety-inducing to me. Going alone is the best…
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umphreaknwv · 7 months ago
PLUR is good. Rave fams are good. Not knowing anything abt the acronym PLUR is good, as long as the vibes are good. Not knowing what rave fam means is good. European raves are good. American raves are good. All these things are good.
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trymadomical · 7 months ago
These are all just simple things with names attached to make them. Idk why some people feel the need to be edgy or exclusive on both spectrums. To have general etiquette or friends that like to do things certain isn't bad. Some peope take things to the extreme but there's always people like that. Just don't be an asshole, have fun, and don't worry about what others do as long as they're also not being assholes lol. That falls under plur to me but that doesn't mean I live and die by "plurr." I don't care to go around spreading not being an asshole as plurr but I also don't care if people do. I don't care if you go with your "rave fam" or by yourself. I just go with my friends lol. But it's also not always a set dedicated group that goes.
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mushyboy69 · 7 months ago
I hear Peace Love Unity Rave a lot
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swimindalight · 7 months ago
From talking to ravers from other countries though, being non-PLUR is also a European thing. From what they usually say, raving isn't a big deal to them because they started when they were like 15 and it's just like another gathering to them. It's less special. And they typically like to make fun of things like gloving, flow toys, kandi trading, dressing up in fun clothing, high-level production, having plur emotional connections. That simply doesn't exist in their culture. So yes part of the culture is strictly American.
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Most-Welcome1763 · 7 months ago
That actually wild, i hear japanese raves are very "american" in this way, but typically alot more underground
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luielvi · 7 months ago
It's sort of what I meant, you really can't say that Europe is more "PLUR" or "non-PLUR" because those terms don't exist here. From what I gather, in comparison, raving in Europe is less about social connection and more about the actual music, hence kandi etc. gets made fun of because it's an entirely different culture and seems ridiculous from our perspective. Edit: And because everyone is there for the music, PLUR comes naturally, there are exceptions of course, for example with the recent trend of gymbros going to hardstyle events...
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stumpycrawdad · 7 months ago
Sounds like I was born on the wrong side of the pond... All your commentary aside, musical affinity also led me to the same conclusion. Should have been born in the UK telling people fuck off and listening to drum and bass.
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sammayy754 · 7 months ago
god I wish I could have raved back then 😩😩 I’m so jealous
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Austin_Chaos · 7 months ago
Don’t worry, I raved extra hard for you. ❤️
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plurfox · 7 months ago
It's been around for a long time but just not as common as PLUR. I first heard about the second R when I got into the rave scene like 12 years ago
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tokyo__driftwood · 7 months ago
This is weird to me, bc one of the most common ways I hear Europeans say they can spot Americans is because of how overly friendly/sociable we are. And one of the most common complaints I hear from American tourists visiting Europe is how (relatively) unfriendly native Europeans are. Not sure how to reconcile this with the common view that Americans are assholes at public events
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chex-mixx · 7 months ago
Modern raves have gotten so far away from the first R that they had to add a second 😂
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Best European country to rave in.
Posted by spartancobra36 · in r/aves · 7 months ago
Ight yall do the other day I took 4 grams of shrooms and had a realization my life is kinda boring. I was like you know what sounds fun, a fucking trip to Europe(i got some money saved up) . Now I like to rave but have only been to big events. Wherever I go I want to find smaller low key events. America isn't the best for this at least the area I live in, so I'm just curious if yall can give some advice, and if so if you can point me to some sources/groups? Btw I definitely want to dip my toes in the Molly experience. Maybe some 2cb if possible
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orlyyarlylolwut · 7 months ago
Netherlands has freaking Defcon lol. That country raves.
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spartancobra36 · OP · 7 months ago
Defcon seems sick af just watched some videos. Idk if I'll be able to party my ass off for 3 days so I might just go for a day or somthin.
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PL4Ymusic · 7 months ago
I think here in the Netherlands we have about 800 combined small/big events. With most of them happening in June/July/August there is so much to choose from really. If you decide to come to the Netherlands. We have a combined party agenda called partyflock.nl (Top right side you can chooes language) and go to agenda and see per date what is happening in terms of events. If you visit Europe I could also advice Bootshaus in Germany, Kompass in Belgium or Fabrik in Madrid.
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Strict_Efficiency844 · 7 months ago
Fabrik is a festival for 1 day every weekend that opens, nuts.
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AdDelicious2969 · 7 months ago
Netherlands/Germany/Belgium
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lecanar · 7 months ago
Good thing for those countries is you wont be car dependent. UK and Fr got some great niche festival but a car is sometimes needed
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ancientrhetoric · 7 months ago
If OP is able to book ahead he can check whether a bus shuttle is available as well. For Germany check "Bassliner" for NL "Maximal Trips" Many festivals happen somewhere in the countryside with the next train stop more than 10 miles away
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nightlyraider · 7 months ago
the netherlands 100% germany if you are into techno, but as someone in the middle of the united states who loves both house and techno i would probably pick ade weekend in amsterdam for my first over the pond rave adventure given the chance. like 2,000 different events across the city last august, i couldn't keep up with the many many many good streams going off at one time here at home. awakenings is another that seems to attract my attention, simply because i need to spend a day in the gashoulder and see what they have done to it live. that shit looks nuts from my screen at home.
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dats-tuff- · 7 months ago
ADE is October, and it’s fucking awesome. Also gashouder is a dope venue. Fireworks inside haha
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Monkeymonkey1212 · 7 months ago
Fabrik is great but only certain events, CODE, 150, Nexus and a few others are great, so make sure whenever you go there's something you like
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Life_Breadfruit8475 · 7 months ago
I just had a CRAZY trip on 2cb. The entire world seemed to be an alternate reality and I felt like hell. It was not crazy bad cause i could control it and think clearly but it wasn't a good time. Wouldn't do it again if I had the choice. The pills I had were untested on strength and I wasn't expecting strong visuals. So to see the entire world change around me depending on what I thought of said area was crazy. Please dose responsibly. I'd probably do 1/4th or 1/2 a pill in a couple of weeks, knowing what this feels like now.
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MIKE_FALLOPIAN1 · 7 months ago
I think you might be thinking of something else, such as 25I-NBOMe.
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Best raves to go to in Europe
Here are a few key considerations
Location: Europe offers a wide range of rave destinations, each with its own unique atmosphere and music scene. Consider locations like Ibiza (Spain), Berlin (Germany), Amsterdam (Netherlands), and Belgrade (Serbia), which are known for their vibrant rave culture.
Music Genre: Different raves cater to various music genres, such as techno, house, trance, drum and bass, and more. Research the specific music genres and DJs that resonate with your preferences to find raves that align with your taste.
Event Reputation: Look for raves with a strong reputation for delivering exceptional experiences. Check online reviews, ratings, and recommendations from fellow ravers to get an idea of the event's quality and organization.
Safety and Security: Prioritize your safety by choosing raves that have a good track record of maintaining security measures, including well-trained staff, proper crowd management, and emergency protocols.
Accessibility and Accommodation: Consider the accessibility of the rave location, including transportation options and nearby accommodation. It's helpful to choose a location with convenient travel connections and a range of lodging options to suit your preferences and budget.
Recommendation: Some highly regarded raves in Europe include:
Ibiza, Spain: Known for its legendary nightlife and world-class DJs, Ibiza offers a variety of raves and clubs that cater to different music genres. It's a popular destination for electronic music enthusiasts.
Berlin, Germany: Berlin is renowned for its underground techno scene, with numerous clubs and warehouses hosting raves throughout the city. Berghain and Tresor are iconic venues worth exploring.
Amsterdam, Netherlands: Amsterdam is home to a vibrant electronic music scene, with clubs like De School and Shelter hosting raves featuring renowned DJs. The city's diverse nightlife offers a mix of genres and atmospheres.
Remember to check the latest travel advisories and guidelines, as well as any specific requirements or restrictions related to attending raves in Europe.
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